PB web site and forum down?

[Eros Olmi]

Is PB web site and forum down also for you? I cannot reach it right now.
Hope they are under maintenance due to installation/conversion of new forum 

[José Roca]

 
I can access it.

[Eros Olmi]

Me too now.
Thanks

[Marco Pontello]

Hope they are under maintenance due to installation/conversion of new forum 

Will it ever be done?

Bye!

[Eros Olmi]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1404067

... maybe ... one day ... who knows ... never say never ...

I do not understand how they cannot understand that a move like that would improve a lot Power Basic community and Power Basic knowledge share. But, maybe, they ... do not want that.

[Marco Pontello]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1404067

OMG! That's incredible! There's hope at the end of the tunnel...

BTW, I second the opinion that it will probably better to simply start with a new / fresh forum and freeze the old one as a reference & archive. New messages will be posted that will simply link old messages in the old forum; some of the old messages will maybe simply cut & pasted in the new, and so on.

Converting the "old mess" right would be a very complicated thing, and probably is simply not worth the effort.

Bye!

[Theo Gottwald]

If thats really "our Bob", that means that if they would convert the forum,
all Links in the Forum-Posts that lead to the old Forum would be invalid.

Maybe the best sollution would be to leave the old Forum "as is", just close it for new posts.
Then open the new forum.
This way the Links would still be usable.

[Eros Olmi]

Well, you have to tell Bob about that

I'm already been ... let say ... "officially invited" to not disturb PB forum quiete with my un-polite requests.

[Eros Olmi]

If thats really "our Bob",

from http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235494 you get "...254,000 plus threads..."
from http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1404067 you get "...I recently imported a UBB Classic 5.45c board..."

Name is Bob Zale but maybe who is posting is not really Bob Zale but someone else on his name who is making the real job. Tone seems not Bob tone to me (but maybe I only know angry Bob tone ).

[Marco Pontello]

Tone seems not Bob tone to me (but maybe I only know angry Bob tone ).

Maybe just because he his in "normal user" instead of "local Emperor" mode!

[Donald Darden]

I don't think there is anybody at that company that would dare answer in the name of the president and owner, so that throws that theory out the window.

I will go further and say that Bob is more cautious in what he writes as opposed to what he might say in person.  Few people write just as they talk, you know, and his posts generally show an effort at deliberation.  His tone is usually more ironic in print, which is a departure from the way he tends to speak in person.

But speaking of rhe PB forums, is it just me, or does it seem that the level of innovative participation has gone down?  I had a habit of visiting the site often, but over the last year or so, found the Cafe more interesting than what was going on elsewhere.  Now the Cafe itself is becomeing tiresome, and people seem to be posting mostly to create controversy and get a dialog going.  I don't find that constructive, since peole just argue and express opinions and points of view, and sometimes get into name calling.

I look at the really great contributions some people here are making, and that is the way I remember the PB Forums of old.   It's like the fire has gone out there, and only embers are left.  Or maybe the innovative contributors have just moved on..  .

[James Klutho]

I agree.  The PB forum strikes me as tired as well.  Lack of updates of the compiler (which by its nature is legacy) does little to spark innovation.  It is more and more a hobbiest compiler without game graphics.  If no meaningful upgrades to the compiler are made then the distinction between Powerbasic and Freebasic will continue to blur.

[Marco Pontello]

IMHO, at least a part of the problem is due to (mis)management:

• poor attitude toward a lots of brilliant users that then leaved (either because of a ban or by their choice) - no need to quote names, I'm sure anyone miss the posts of some members
• poor software board that complicated things that should be easy / obvious - a minor thing, maybe, but time after time it become very annoying. Source code posting is just an example, and being a forum for coders...

Bye!

[Eros Olmi]

Same feeling here.
Anyhow it seems who remained in current PB forum likes current feeling. I tryed to say something against but I was put into an angle like I was the only one thinking that there were too much not tech related posts.

Anyhow, we will see.
Compiler is not seriously updated since some years now. So time seems mature to get a new 9.0 version.
If also forum will be updated maybe a new feeling will return.
If this will not happen, well, time will be mature for me for a complete definitive change. Maybe also the second best compiler on hearth will well fit my needs

[Edwin Knoppert]

>Anyhow it seems who remained in current PB forum likes current feeling.
First i don't mind the current board software at all.

Then i really think people change, there is newer software, the market might also change to internet applications instead.
Any wizkid can use an asp.net and since dotnet is so well supported and extensive, why bother with anything more difficult?

The people posting here are familiar to me and they use PB for some time now, IF the world is changing we are simply the next not liking the changes around us (or believe it)
We might be the left-overs..

I just speculate all of this, i made the same change so you can also say that i just told the story of my life.
It's so that PB is not much used by me compared with my other tasks.
And.. i don't even like website building much

Oh and remember, each year a new bunch of programmers enter the market, each year billie  and others dump new software on the market even more spectacular then before.
Don't stay to much behind but then.. you also know the stories about old farths still having a job updating old fashion software.
Is that you?